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	<description>Mac &#38; Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-114471</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate: Congratulations on having perhaps the longest comment on this blog :) But there are two problems with your advice:

1. I paid for two processors, not one.

2. Battery life when running on two processors is actually (confusingly) better than when running on one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate: Congratulations on having perhaps the longest comment on this blog :) But there are two problems with your advice:</p>
<p>1. I paid for two processors, not one.</p>
<p>2. Battery life when running on two processors is actually (confusingly) better than when running on one.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-114438</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whining sound that you hear on Macbook Pros generally comes from one of two possible sources. 
1) The first possible source for the whining sound you hear is the connection to the display from the motherboard. The computer runs on 12 Volts, whereas the display runs on only 5V of current. Thus, the current needs to be changed.  This is done by a piece of hardware located above the F12 and Eject buttons on the standard Macbook Pro keyboard. 

2) The second and most likely source of the sound is from the inability of the logic board to handle the changes in power requirements that the two processors draw upon.  When the processors are churning away, the logic board has a pretty easy time handling the distribution of power to the processors.  This is why opening up a program like photo both will reduce the whining sound (The program draws on a lot of processing power, the processors require a consistent and "more quiet" flow of power, and the noise is reduced). 

However, as soon as you close photo booth the whining will come back, this is because not all of the capabilities of the Intel processors are being called upon, and quite frankly the logic board just can't shut off the power all the way.  Hence, your second processor (chip, core, "brain"- or whatever you call it) begins to whine. If you listen over the F,G,H, and D keys you should be able to hear this. 

Now you know the problem...Wanna know the solution???
Well I really don't know..I just recommend spilling copious amounts of water or alcohol on the machine...see what happens!

NOT. DON'T BE STUPID.  NEVER WASTE A GOOD DRINK.


Instead, 
1) open the pack of CDs that came with your computer.  Or you could download CHUD off the internet..
2) Look for the CD that says "Developer Tools" on it...it may be called CHUD
3)Insert Disc
4)Run Disk
5) Run the program known as CHUD
6)Install all the little programs...really they are ridiculously small...just put them in the Application folder and forget about them.
7)Go to system prefs
8)Go to processor
9)Check "SHOW CONTROL IN MENU BAR"
10) Click the little icon and change it to one processor
11)Enjoy the silence =P

That should do it...Peace Out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whining sound that you hear on Macbook Pros generally comes from one of two possible sources.<br />
1) The first possible source for the whining sound you hear is the connection to the display from the motherboard. The computer runs on 12 Volts, whereas the display runs on only 5V of current. Thus, the current needs to be changed.  This is done by a piece of hardware located above the F12 and Eject buttons on the standard Macbook Pro keyboard. </p>
<p>2) The second and most likely source of the sound is from the inability of the logic board to handle the changes in power requirements that the two processors draw upon.  When the processors are churning away, the logic board has a pretty easy time handling the distribution of power to the processors.  This is why opening up a program like photo both will reduce the whining sound (The program draws on a lot of processing power, the processors require a consistent and &#8220;more quiet&#8221; flow of power, and the noise is reduced). </p>
<p>However, as soon as you close photo booth the whining will come back, this is because not all of the capabilities of the Intel processors are being called upon, and quite frankly the logic board just can&#8217;t shut off the power all the way.  Hence, your second processor (chip, core, &#8220;brain&#8221;- or whatever you call it) begins to whine. If you listen over the F,G,H, and D keys you should be able to hear this. </p>
<p>Now you know the problem&#8230;Wanna know the solution???<br />
Well I really don&#8217;t know..I just recommend spilling copious amounts of water or alcohol on the machine&#8230;see what happens!</p>
<p>NOT. DON&#8217;T BE STUPID.  NEVER WASTE A GOOD DRINK.</p>
<p>Instead,<br />
1) open the pack of CDs that came with your computer.  Or you could download CHUD off the internet..<br />
2) Look for the CD that says &#8220;Developer Tools&#8221; on it&#8230;it may be called CHUD<br />
3)Insert Disc<br />
4)Run Disk<br />
5) Run the program known as CHUD<br />
6)Install all the little programs&#8230;really they are ridiculously small&#8230;just put them in the Application folder and forget about them.<br />
7)Go to system prefs<br />
8)Go to processor<br />
9)Check &#8220;SHOW CONTROL IN MENU BAR&#8221;<br />
10) Click the little icon and change it to one processor<br />
11)Enjoy the silence =P</p>
<p>That should do it&#8230;Peace Out.</p>
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		<title>By: meee</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-55636</link>
		<dc:creator>meee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I have an 8612 and it does have the whine. However, unlike some other peopleâ€™s experiences I have not had a problem using MagicNoiceKiller on 10.4.6. It works just fine for me, no noise."

Hmm. this is interesting, my friend has a mac, even though you cant hear a wine, if i plug head phones in i can hear the same noise that u are describing. (the modulation in the pitch that is) when ever the cpu is working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have an 8612 and it does have the whine. However, unlike some other peopleâ€™s experiences I have not had a problem using MagicNoiceKiller on 10.4.6. It works just fine for me, no noise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm. this is interesting, my friend has a mac, even though you cant hear a wine, if i plug head phones in i can hear the same noise that u are describing. (the modulation in the pitch that is) when ever the cpu is working.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-32981</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard - if you follow the series of posts to the end, you'll find &lt;a href="http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/159/the-quiet-mac" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Quiet Mac&lt;/a&gt;, which summarizes my more-or-less successful resolution, and also points to some of the evidence that Apple has pretty-much resolved the problem in newer machines, and can replace a logic board to great success on older machines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard - if you follow the series of posts to the end, you&#8217;ll find <a href="http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/159/the-quiet-mac" rel="nofollow">The Quiet Mac</a>, which summarizes my more-or-less successful resolution, and also points to some of the evidence that Apple has pretty-much resolved the problem in newer machines, and can replace a logic board to great success on older machines.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bowman</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-32929</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a MacBook Pro purchased at the start of June (serial number 8617...); the mirror trick doesn't work for me.  The noise disappears when running e.g. photo booth, but even if I force quit photo booth with the camera running, the noise comes back.  MagicNoiseKiller also doesn't work at all, as far as I can see.

I have the whine which is *really* irritating as I use the machine a lot for looking at PDFs of notes whilst in the library.  There seem to be 3 regions of noise:
almost no usage (e.g. looking at a PDF in Preview): quiet
little usage (e.g. scrolling said PDF): whine
more usage (e.g. opening an application or whatever): quiet(er)

I realise I'm posting later than most of you; has apple sorted this problem somehow, or are you all just getting used to it?

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a MacBook Pro purchased at the start of June (serial number 8617&#8230;); the mirror trick doesn&#8217;t work for me.  The noise disappears when running e.g. photo booth, but even if I force quit photo booth with the camera running, the noise comes back.  MagicNoiseKiller also doesn&#8217;t work at all, as far as I can see.</p>
<p>I have the whine which is *really* irritating as I use the machine a lot for looking at PDFs of notes whilst in the library.  There seem to be 3 regions of noise:<br />
almost no usage (e.g. looking at a PDF in Preview): quiet<br />
little usage (e.g. scrolling said PDF): whine<br />
more usage (e.g. opening an application or whatever): quiet(er)</p>
<p>I realise I&#8217;m posting later than most of you; has apple sorted this problem somehow, or are you all just getting used to it?</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: MacBook Firmware 1.0 update - 99mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacBook Firmware 1.0 update - 99mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ursprungligen skriven av jopo Vet inte om det diskuterats här tidigare men i ett tyst rum hör jag fortfarande det där väsanda (eller vad man ska kalla det, &#34;hissing&#34;?) när processorn ldlar .. slår man på photobooth så försvinner det eftersom processorn då får mer att göra.  Finns det någon riktig lösning runt det ljudet?     Det är ingen lösning på problemet, men du kan alltid testa MagicNoiseKiller eller QuietMBP för att sysselsätta processorn. Båda programmen är egentligen till för MBP, men kan kanske fungera för MB. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ursprungligen skriven av jopo Vet inte om det diskuterats här tidigare men i ett tyst rum hör jag fortfarande det där väsanda (eller vad man ska kalla det, &quot;hissing&quot;?) när processorn ldlar .. slår man på photobooth så försvinner det eftersom processorn då får mer att göra.  Finns det någon riktig lösning runt det ljudet?     Det är ingen lösning på problemet, men du kan alltid testa MagicNoiseKiller eller QuietMBP för att sysselsätta processorn. Båda programmen är egentligen till för MBP, men kan kanske fungera för MB. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-10250</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan - the Processor panel comes from Apple's CHUD performance tools.  Unfortunately the Intel chips don't seem to support the napping feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan - the Processor panel comes from Apple&#8217;s CHUD performance tools.  Unfortunately the Intel chips don&#8217;t seem to support the napping feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Parnell</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-10249</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Parnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't actually have a MB or MBP, but I do have a PowerBook G4 (17", 1.33 GHz model) and PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio, originally 733 MHz, upgraded to 1.467 GHz) that both exhibit similar symptoms from time to time.  The whine is much quieter on the PowerBook than on my tower, but in both cases the solution is the same: I open System Preferences-&#62;Processor and uncheck the "Allow Nap" checkbox.

The Processor system preference is on both of my systems but I'm not sure where it came from.  I know it wasn't there originally; perhaps TinkerTool or the Developer Tools stuck it there.

I'm not sure if the Intel processor will allow you to disable processor napping in that manner, but it causes an immediate and abrupt end to the processor whines of my G4s the moment the checkbox is unchecked.  Hopefully the Intel 'Books will let you do the same and make my comment useful.

- D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t actually have a MB or MBP, but I do have a PowerBook G4 (17&#8243;, 1.33 GHz model) and PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio, originally 733 MHz, upgraded to 1.467 GHz) that both exhibit similar symptoms from time to time.  The whine is much quieter on the PowerBook than on my tower, but in both cases the solution is the same: I open System Preferences-&gt;Processor and uncheck the &#8220;Allow Nap&#8221; checkbox.</p>
<p>The Processor system preference is on both of my systems but I&#8217;m not sure where it came from.  I know it wasn&#8217;t there originally; perhaps TinkerTool or the Developer Tools stuck it there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the Intel processor will allow you to disable processor napping in that manner, but it causes an immediate and abrupt end to the processor whines of my G4s the moment the checkbox is unchecked.  Hopefully the Intel &#8216;Books will let you do the same and make my comment useful.</p>
<p>- D</p>
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		<title>By: Bendis</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-10082</link>
		<dc:creator>Bendis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone mention before that the MacBook (not Pro) has the whining too? Mine is a white 1,83 Ghz and ist whines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone mention before that the MacBook (not Pro) has the whining too? Mine is a white 1,83 Ghz and ist whines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: szm</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/108/macbook-pro-noise-i-believe-in-miracles#comment-9483</link>
		<dc:creator>szm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this mirror widget thing works by leaving the isight on even after closing the dashboard. for me the whine always goes away when using the cam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this mirror widget thing works by leaving the isight on even after closing the dashboard. for me the whine always goes away when using the cam</p>
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