Comments on: Andrew Stone Responds http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds Mac & Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut Fri, 10 Oct 2014 04:19:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Boulder Geek http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6428 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:00:40 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6428 All I can say is, I vividly remember the stunning and ultra-creative Stone Design parties at NeXT Expo ’93 and ’94. I’ll never forget the experience.

For that, and for being a major value-adder to NEXTSTEP and the community as it existed and evolved, Andrew will always get a pass from me.

Still waiting for OS X to be as good as OpenStep 4.2.

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By: Bob from Texas http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6360 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:52:10 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6360 Hate to post twice, but after switching to the aqua interface, a lot of badness of the gui sort of vanished. It’s really pretty easy to use and fairly intuitive if you understand the effects. And, while it would be nice, documenting all of the details of the effects is not necessarily the developer’s job. As an artist, even a home artist, you learn this by doing. Oh, and fixing a typo, I meant to say: “What it does that Motion, etc. don’t do is *not* rob my bank account.” Sorry for the mistake. This is a really good app at a terrific price.

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By: Julian Grey http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6353 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:09:49 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6353 /cheer Andrew Stone ~ ^^;

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By: Bob from Texas http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6350 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:10:49 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6350 Andrew Stone builds great software. The interface is rough on this one, but the functionality is very cool. What is does that Motion, etc. don’t do is rob my bank account.

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By: Andrew Stone http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6349 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:01:43 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6349 And, taking Daniel’s thoughtful UI criticisms to heart, I’ve just posted a new version of Videator which addresses many of his issues. Download it here. Of course, you can’t please everyone – that’s a Sisyphusian effort!

If one doesn’t like the arrangement of tools in the tool bar, click the standard customize button and stick the search field whereever you want it. The next new window you create will be Aqua or Metal, according to your preference.

When people get so vitriolic, I always wonder two things:
what motivates them to only percieve what they don’t like?
what awesome software and innovative ideas have they brought to the Mac?

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By: Mr Rant http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6257 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:04:50 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6257 “Can someone swear that he understands what the second checkbox purpose is (Noise rerduction filter for instance)?”

I need to clarify this one. Add: “without looking at the Manual or Tooltip)” at the end of the sentence.

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By: Mr Rant http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6256 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:59:57 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6256 1. I don’t see why people feel the need to testify that Andrew is a nice guy. The problem is not Andrew. It’s the lack of a nice UI in his software. It’s not because someone stupidly criticized Andrew as a person that it means that the UI of his software suffered from an unfair trial too.

2. Usability vs prettiness: Those can be different sure. vi usability is great once you know how to use it (after how many days?) Respect of UI standards (workflow, layout) not only provides you with a minimum usability but it also allows the user to understand how your software is working without having to read the manual.

3. When usability and prettiness are missing:

* Effects popup menu in Videator:

The labels are mostly meaningless
The huge icons along with the labels don’t help the user understand what the effects are doing (too small previews)
The Icon of the pull-down menu is completely meaningless.

* Search field on the left by default when it’s on the right by default in most software

* Remove button:

The icon is so complex that you don’t see the standard delete icon among the gears

* Picture format control thing in the toolbar:

Standard user will wonder what this tool does (Video vs Picture) and changing the value in this strangely designed control does not give a hint about the goal of this object.

* Isn’t it Mr. UI at Apple who said putting the Preferences icon in the toolbar of an application is useless.

* Pref panes:

If I forget that most of the items goal is eluding me, you can quickly note that the General item is in the middle of the NSTabView when it should be the first one.

BTW, the Aqua vs Metal texture is not working if you switch to Aqua. You probably need to relaunch the application but it’s not explained to the user.

* Left colum:

Meaningless labels for the items in the NSTabView

Different types of items in the list: Actions and tools.

If you select an effect and then another one in the list, both are added whereas the logic behavior would be to replace the first one with the second. Clearly a Add button is missing

While you understand that the first checkbox in the upper left corner of an effect indicates whether it is enabled or not. Can someone swear that he understands what the second checkbox purpose is (Noise rerduction filter for instance)?

The use of a horizontal tableview (the kid icon with a preview of the effect) is strange:

You don’t have any relationship between this horizontal list and the vertical one.
It’s not a timeline thing even though it would tend to make you believe it
It would have been more clever to remove this useless list and put the icon preview in the vertical list.

The Undo manager support could be seen as cool if it was not sometimes freezing the application for a while.

The cross icon in the Search Field is not working.

Timeline controls for the effects: One just doesn’t understand what what it do.

Do I need to mention the complete inconsistency of the UI which uses Brushed Metal buttons with Aqua ones. I think the Options dialog of the “Disintegrate with Mask” task/effect sums it up.

I could spend two days listing all the UI and usability issues within this software. Would I have to review this software, I would give it 2 out of 10. The UI sucks, the usability sucks. I don’t have any fun using this software because of that (YMMW). Yet this could become a nice application if a LOT of time was spent on the UI and usability.

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By: Marc Driftmeyer http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6241 Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:54:59 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6241 Anyone who has personal angst against this gentle, caring, ethical old soul has about as much character as a piece of dung drying on the backside of a camel. He is one of the most sound and talented developers in the Cocoa Community. He is also still the most cordial person I ever had the opportunity to support while working for NeXT and Apple. He’s a true friend and one I still have to visit down in NM. Katie and Andrew are extremely rare..

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By: leeg http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6223 Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:54:40 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6223 Andy Lee:

To take that a step further, and a little off-topic, I would love it if someone with Andrew’s skills would create an app that was perfect for mocking up UI designs.

Build your mock UI in IB, then hit Cmd-R ;-)

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By: Darian http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds/comment-page-1#comment-6214 Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:36:33 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/139/andrew-stone-responds#comment-6214 So who would care if a V12 Ferrari engine was in this car?If that car had a working V12 Ferrari engine and the car drove, I imagine the price would make it a bargain – so I think there’d be a market for that. Obviously you wouldn’t be in it.Belive it or not, aesthetics isn’t everything for everyone.

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