Comments on: WWDC For All http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all Mac & Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:26:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mike Zornek http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10689 Mike Zornek Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:32:57 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10689 I've been screaming for the return of the DVDs for a long while. It just doesn't feel like Apple is listening at all. They don't even offer an argument as to why this decision had to have been made. And then they take out the ADC Feedback Forum at WWDC where you can complain about it face-to-face. UGH!! I’ve been screaming for the return of the DVDs for a long while. It just doesn’t feel like Apple is listening at all. They don’t even offer an argument as to why this decision had to have been made. And then they take out the ADC Feedback Forum at WWDC where you can complain about it face-to-face. UGH!!

]]> By: Andrew http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10678 Andrew Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:30:20 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10678 @Romain That would break the NDA under the rules right now... Dan could lose his subscription that way... @Romain

That would break the NDA under the rules right now… Dan could lose his subscription that way…

]]> By: WWDC for free http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10676 WWDC for free Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:16:39 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10676 [...] There’s a bit of buzz going on at infinite loop and the red sweater blog about what Apple would gain by making WWDC (World Wide Developers Conference) free. To be honest I absolutely agree. With some commentators predicting that Apple is on the verge of a market share explosion, it would make sense for Apple to open the conference up a bit. [...] [...] There’s a bit of buzz going on at infinite loop and the red sweater blog about what Apple would gain by making WWDC (World Wide Developers Conference) free. To be honest I absolutely agree. With some commentators predicting that Apple is on the verge of a market share explosion, it would make sense for Apple to open the conference up a bit. [...]

]]> By: Romain http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10581 Romain Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:33:50 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10581 If you really want to make things change, I think you should reach a stage. Take your 2005 WWDC DVDs and make them available for everybody (means not so rich developpers). For exemple by posting a torrent on a dedicated website ! It's your choice. If you really want to make things change, I think you should reach a stage. Take your 2005 WWDC DVDs and make them available for everybody (means not so rich developpers). For exemple by posting a torrent on a dedicated website !
It’s your choice.

]]> By: Alexander Dimitriyadi http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10525 Alexander Dimitriyadi Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:32:33 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10525 Well I took your suggestion Daniel and I got an email response today from ADC telling me that they forwarded my email to the correct people for consideration. I know it wasn't some sort of generic email, because he specifically addressed concerns and mentioned what the topic was about. So heres hoping we get enough emails going in and they consider our reasons for freeing up this valuable media. Well I took your suggestion Daniel and I got an email response today from ADC telling me that they forwarded my email to the correct people for consideration. I know it wasn’t some sort of generic email, because he specifically addressed concerns and mentioned what the topic was about. So heres hoping we get enough emails going in and they consider our reasons for freeing up this valuable media.

]]> By: Jonathan Wight http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10511 Jonathan Wight Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:04:21 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10511 The problem with ITMS is that some countries still dont have a ITMS. It would also involve the cooperation of at least two distinct groups at Apple (ADC and iTunes). I wouldn't hold my breathe. I don't see why Apple can't just upload the darn .mov files to connect.apple.com and be done with it. Failing that I'll (grudgingly) buy the DVDs for a reasonable cost. The problem with ITMS is that some countries still dont have a ITMS.

It would also involve the cooperation of at least two distinct groups at Apple (ADC and iTunes). I wouldn’t hold my breathe.

I don’t see why Apple can’t just upload the darn .mov files to connect.apple.com and be done with it. Failing that I’ll (grudgingly) buy the DVDs for a reasonable cost.

]]> By: Dale http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10496 Dale Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:18:28 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10496 I disagree with the comment "The value of WWDC is about 5% information". It's certainly greater than that to me. Though I'm not discounting the significant benefit of being at WWDC and mixing with like minded developers and personal legends. But as Rob notes (I'm in Australia too), it's just too expensive for many of us not in the US to buy a ticket to fly round the world and pay the WWDC admission regularly. Fraser's suggestion for selling WWDC sessions on iTunes sounds good, though I'd hate to see this restricted to the US or UK like most video content is. I'd imagine Apple would also want to delay release to make WWDC more attractive, and at the same time limit sales to ADC members. This might make the exercise quite difficult, depending on the lead time for Leopard and how the iTunes customer database has been implemented. If only the video sessions are available, then I'd hope Apple wouldn't put too high of a price on them. Without the new tools, API documentation, etc none of the information can be put to use. But it's still great knowing what's coming and getting your mind around it, so you can 'hit the ground running' when Leopard is released. It'd also be great if Apple could bundle the video, documentation and maybe an updated Xcode and sell it on a DVD for a reasonable price. I can't imagine Leopard would be on the DVD though, as the risk of pirating would be too much of a risk for Apple. I disagree with the comment “The value of WWDC is about 5% information”. It’s certainly greater than that to me. Though I’m not discounting the significant benefit of being at WWDC and mixing with like minded developers and personal legends. But as Rob notes (I’m in Australia too), it’s just too expensive for many of us not in the US to buy a ticket to fly round the world and pay the WWDC admission regularly.

Fraser’s suggestion for selling WWDC sessions on iTunes sounds good, though I’d hate to see this restricted to the US or UK like most video content is. I’d imagine Apple would also want to delay release to make WWDC more attractive, and at the same time limit sales to ADC members. This might make the exercise quite difficult, depending on the lead time for Leopard and how the iTunes customer database has been implemented.

If only the video sessions are available, then I’d hope Apple wouldn’t put too high of a price on them. Without the new tools, API documentation, etc none of the information can be put to use. But it’s still great knowing what’s coming and getting your mind around it, so you can ‘hit the ground running’ when Leopard is released.

It’d also be great if Apple could bundle the video, documentation and maybe an updated Xcode and sell it on a DVD for a reasonable price. I can’t imagine Leopard would be on the DVD though, as the risk of pirating would be too much of a risk for Apple.

]]> By: Daniel Jalkut http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10474 Daniel Jalkut Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:17:24 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10474 The iTunes thing sounds good to me, with perhaps free versions going to ADC members at various paid levels. If they went the paid iTunes route, then I would hope that the slides from each session might be freely downloadable, as a preview of what you might expect to get in the full video. The iTunes thing sounds good to me, with perhaps free versions going to ADC members at various paid levels.

If they went the paid iTunes route, then I would hope that the slides from each session might be freely downloadable, as a preview of what you might expect to get in the full video.

]]> By: Rob Keniger http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10463 Rob Keniger Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:51:36 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10463 Hear, hear. For those like me that live outside the US (I'm in Australia), getting to WWDC is a costly exercise in both time and money, especially if you give yourself a decent amount of time for the jet lag to wear off before the conference. I'd estimate it probably costs me at least double what it costs a US resident to participate. Much as I'd like to go every year it's simply not feasible. It would be fantastic for all the content to be available online, in a downloadable form since I agree that the current streaming system is teh suX0r. For free is even better, the more people that see this stuff the better the apps will be. Hear, hear. For those like me that live outside the US (I’m in Australia), getting to WWDC is a costly exercise in both time and money, especially if you give yourself a decent amount of time for the jet lag to wear off before the conference. I’d estimate it probably costs me at least double what it costs a US resident to participate. Much as I’d like to go every year it’s simply not feasible. It would be fantastic for all the content to be available online, in a downloadable form since I agree that the current streaming system is teh suX0r. For free is even better, the more people that see this stuff the better the apps will be.

]]> By: Fraser Speirs http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10460 Fraser Speirs Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:30:09 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/166/wwdc-for-all#comment-10460 I think there's a good case for making them available on iTMS. Maybe not for *free*, but certainly for some sane amount of money that covers the bandwidth and some? Maybe $2.50/session? I think there’s a good case for making them available on iTMS. Maybe not for *free*, but certainly for some sane amount of money that covers the bandwidth and some? Maybe $2.50/session?

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