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	<description>Mac &#38; Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut</description>
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		<title>By: Red Sweater Blog - Ten Free Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Sweater Blog - Ten Free Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I meant it when I downplayed the value of ideas in my critique of the My Dream App contest:  &#8220;Ideas are practically free. They run like flood-water through every conceivable channel of the internet.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I meant it when I downplayed the value of ideas in my critique of the My Dream App contest:  &#8220;Ideas are practically free. They run like flood-water through every conceivable channel of the internet.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/176/my-nightmare-app/comment-page-1#comment-13582</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason -  thanks for the update!  It sounds like things are going as well as they possibly can, which is great news.  I am glad to hear that so far your finalists are proving to be "can't lose" ideas for the development team.

It's great news that you'll be collaborating if and when appropriate. That makes the process seem less doomed to me, though I'd still be afraid of thoes 18 remaining finalists :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason -  thanks for the update!  It sounds like things are going as well as they possibly can, which is great news.  I am glad to hear that so far your finalists are proving to be &#8220;can&#8217;t lose&#8221; ideas for the development team.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great news that you&#8217;ll be collaborating if and when appropriate. That makes the process seem less doomed to me, though I&#8217;d still be afraid of thoes 18 remaining finalists :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/176/my-nightmare-app/comment-page-1#comment-13581</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came across this post again and thought I'd drop in a few updates.  At this point, we've begun the process of pruning the 2700+ entries down to the 24 finalists.  

There seems to be a lot of doubt on this blog that the MDA developers are going to be fired up about working on somebody else's ideas.  Pretty sure it's not gonna be an issue.

So far, we've picked 6 of the 24 finalists, and, speaking only for myself, I'd be completely thrilled to code any of those 6.  The other two developers seem to feel the same.  They're all either "damn, wish I'd thought of that!" ideas, or ideas that present interesting technical challenges that will make working on them fun, or ideas that are just inherently fun, and which will be entertaining to work on as a result.

To answer a few other questions, the plan is one developer per app, with John acting as development manager, and with at least one graphic designer dedicated to each app.  However, since we don't yet know what the winners will be, we're hedging our bets a bit by not setting this in stone.  

It's likely that the devs will collaborate on bits and pieces of things.  For example, let's say Martin winds up coding something collaborative, which would make sense given his SubEthaEdit background.  But let's also say that the app has some component that involves heavy math work or physics simulations.  I'd probably code that bit since I've got a background in scientific computing.  And so on.

Basically, we'll allocate tasks as makes sense.  A big part of John's job as development manager will be to figure out what makes sense. :)

Support will be handled by My Dream App - the winning-idea person won't be concerned with it (unless, of course, she wants to be, in which case we forward all the emails to her and go to Hawaii!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this post again and thought I&#8217;d drop in a few updates.  At this point, we&#8217;ve begun the process of pruning the 2700+ entries down to the 24 finalists.  </p>
<p>There seems to be a lot of doubt on this blog that the MDA developers are going to be fired up about working on somebody else&#8217;s ideas.  Pretty sure it&#8217;s not gonna be an issue.</p>
<p>So far, we&#8217;ve picked 6 of the 24 finalists, and, speaking only for myself, I&#8217;d be completely thrilled to code any of those 6.  The other two developers seem to feel the same.  They&#8217;re all either &#8220;damn, wish I&#8217;d thought of that!&#8221; ideas, or ideas that present interesting technical challenges that will make working on them fun, or ideas that are just inherently fun, and which will be entertaining to work on as a result.</p>
<p>To answer a few other questions, the plan is one developer per app, with John acting as development manager, and with at least one graphic designer dedicated to each app.  However, since we don&#8217;t yet know what the winners will be, we&#8217;re hedging our bets a bit by not setting this in stone.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s likely that the devs will collaborate on bits and pieces of things.  For example, let&#8217;s say Martin winds up coding something collaborative, which would make sense given his SubEthaEdit background.  But let&#8217;s also say that the app has some component that involves heavy math work or physics simulations.  I&#8217;d probably code that bit since I&#8217;ve got a background in scientific computing.  And so on.</p>
<p>Basically, we&#8217;ll allocate tasks as makes sense.  A big part of John&#8217;s job as development manager will be to figure out what makes sense. :)</p>
<p>Support will be handled by My Dream App - the winning-idea person won&#8217;t be concerned with it (unless, of course, she wants to be, in which case we forward all the emails to her and go to Hawaii!)</p>
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		<title>By: Conor Dearden</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/176/my-nightmare-app/comment-page-1#comment-13215</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor Dearden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting the developers hyped on the ideas doesn't seem to be a problem; they all signed up willingly and Jason for one seems to have jumped into the water head first; he has already created one application to judge the entries &lt;a href="http://mydreamapp.com/judges/view/jason/post/19/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dream Slapper&lt;/a&gt;.  Which bring me to my next point, these developers have talent. Whatever ideas they end up working on they can get exited about them and do a wonderful job and be incredibly successful or they have enough talent to throw something together in a couple of months and with the marketing My Dream App will generate it will be successful enough to cover their time.  Now my negative reaction is the same that John had, I have a couple of ideas on the back burner and I am scared they might come up with something similar. Updates to &lt;a href="http://www.bruji.com/dvdpedia" rel="nofollow"&gt;DVDpedia&lt;/a&gt; have kept me very busy and given me no time to start another project at the moment. With 2250 entries I am sure my idea is in there somewhere, now the question is will it be picked? If my idea is chosen I will have to find time to start that new project. Competition is a good thing, maybe My Dream App is the push we are missing to get of our ass and start coding.


P.S. Or I could submit my idea and let Jason do the hard work, while I sit back and reap 15 percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting the developers hyped on the ideas doesn&#8217;t seem to be a problem; they all signed up willingly and Jason for one seems to have jumped into the water head first; he has already created one application to judge the entries <a href="http://mydreamapp.com/judges/view/jason/post/19/" rel="nofollow">Dream Slapper</a>.  Which bring me to my next point, these developers have talent. Whatever ideas they end up working on they can get exited about them and do a wonderful job and be incredibly successful or they have enough talent to throw something together in a couple of months and with the marketing My Dream App will generate it will be successful enough to cover their time.  Now my negative reaction is the same that John had, I have a couple of ideas on the back burner and I am scared they might come up with something similar. Updates to <a href="http://www.bruji.com/dvdpedia" rel="nofollow">DVDpedia</a> have kept me very busy and given me no time to start another project at the moment. With 2250 entries I am sure my idea is in there somewhere, now the question is will it be picked? If my idea is chosen I will have to find time to start that new project. Competition is a good thing, maybe My Dream App is the push we are missing to get of our ass and start coding.</p>
<p>P.S. Or I could submit my idea and let Jason do the hard work, while I sit back and reap 15 percent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't help but wonder now...who's going to be responsible for ongoing support for the apps, and documentation, and such? Is that the 15% idea person, or the developer, or someone else?

Or will it be one of those situations where it's a HOT HOT HOT app that has a lot of community support for a year or two, and then the folks in the community realize that someone else is making money off their support time, and the community moves on to the next hot thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder now&#8230;who&#8217;s going to be responsible for ongoing support for the apps, and documentation, and such? Is that the 15% idea person, or the developer, or someone else?</p>
<p>Or will it be one of those situations where it&#8217;s a HOT HOT HOT app that has a lot of community support for a year or two, and then the folks in the community realize that someone else is making money off their support time, and the community moves on to the next hot thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Primordial Soup &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cambrian House vs. My Dream App</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/176/my-nightmare-app/comment-page-1#comment-12739</link>
		<dc:creator>Primordial Soup &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cambrian House vs. My Dream App</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Mac portion of the blogosphere has been rife with commentary on My Dream App, a site which likens itself to Pop Idol for apps for the Apple Mac (well, actually American Idol, but I like to go with the original  ). I had a chat with Daniel Jalkut on Freenode the other day, after his less than complimentary blog post about My Dream App, and he suggested I write a comparison between CH and MDA. So here it is - totally biased, but I don&#8217;t care - this is my blog, not the BBC. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Mac portion of the blogosphere has been rife with commentary on My Dream App, a site which likens itself to Pop Idol for apps for the Apple Mac (well, actually American Idol, but I like to go with the original  ). I had a chat with Daniel Jalkut on Freenode the other day, after his less than complimentary blog post about My Dream App, and he suggested I write a comparison between CH and MDA. So here it is - totally biased, but I don&#8217;t care - this is my blog, not the BBC. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/176/my-nightmare-app/comment-page-1#comment-12700</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't read the legalese, but I immediately had some of the same thoughts when I read about this contest: (a) that's no way to fire up a developer's passion and (b) ideas are easy, execution is where the magic happens.

I hope for the sake of everyone involved that it all just works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read the legalese, but I immediately had some of the same thoughts when I read about this contest: (a) that&#8217;s no way to fire up a developer&#8217;s passion and (b) ideas are easy, execution is where the magic happens.</p>
<p>I hope for the sake of everyone involved that it all just works out.</p>
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		<title>By: Team Murder &#187; Contractual Obligation May Be The Killer App</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/176/my-nightmare-app/comment-page-1#comment-12671</link>
		<dc:creator>Team Murder &#187; Contractual Obligation May Be The Killer App</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course my summary of perceptions is clogged with bitterness and a little anemic on real solid criticism other than my usual mission in life further spreading the unconfirmed rumor that Horatio Alger was a child molester or at least pedophile. Lucky for me some of the sharper knives in the drawer immediately saw most of the potential problems with an arrangement like My Dream App and have written them down and expanded on them to the benefit of news skimmers with serious time deficits like myself. I didn&#8217;t realize earlier that the developers saddled with the task of bringing half baked ideas to life in code pounded out by people hoping to garner some reputation for doing such. Jesus. What an awful fucking idea. I&#8217;m sort of glad that I missed that aspect of the process on the first go-round because it sounds like not only the aforementioned worst idea in the history of software development but a fabulous opportunity for those poor bastard developers to get a bad case of burnout trying to craft feasible code out of fucking pipe dreams. Perhaps they could add a crippling RSI or early bout with alcoholism clause to the contracts as well just to perfect the insanity. Oh, and there is the &#8216;no money&#8217; thing. That definitely adds to the &#8216;huh&#8217; factor of this project. Go read the post on the Red Sweater Blog. Really. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of course my summary of perceptions is clogged with bitterness and a little anemic on real solid criticism other than my usual mission in life further spreading the unconfirmed rumor that Horatio Alger was a child molester or at least pedophile. Lucky for me some of the sharper knives in the drawer immediately saw most of the potential problems with an arrangement like My Dream App and have written them down and expanded on them to the benefit of news skimmers with serious time deficits like myself. I didn&#8217;t realize earlier that the developers saddled with the task of bringing half baked ideas to life in code pounded out by people hoping to garner some reputation for doing such. Jesus. What an awful fucking idea. I&#8217;m sort of glad that I missed that aspect of the process on the first go-round because it sounds like not only the aforementioned worst idea in the history of software development but a fabulous opportunity for those poor bastard developers to get a bad case of burnout trying to craft feasible code out of fucking pipe dreams. Perhaps they could add a crippling RSI or early bout with alcoholism clause to the contracts as well just to perfect the insanity. Oh, and there is the &#8216;no money&#8217; thing. That definitely adds to the &#8216;huh&#8217; factor of this project. Go read the post on the Red Sweater Blog. Really. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Coplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit the problem on the head:

"This contest will do nothing except put a heavy burden on a small development team to turn somebody else’s ideas into the type of application that can usually only be inspired by the developer’s own dreams."

I'm a web-developer, so my angle is a bit skewed...no experience in software programming.  But I have learned a long time ago that it is much harder to develop based on someone else's ideas than it is to develop your own.  Sure, once the application exists *somewhere*, it isn't often a problem to add features per the request of the populace.  And, to be honest, it's sometimes rewarding to do so.  But having to develop an application around someone else's thoughts...it's terrible.  Especially if the person doesn't understand a damn thing about application development in the first place.  

As for legal:  I agree with you 100%.  The legal restrictions on this site cause serious problems, in my opinion.  I'm a big advocate of the Open Source model.  This seems like an attempt to bring open-source to proprietary scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit the problem on the head:</p>
<p>&#8220;This contest will do nothing except put a heavy burden on a small development team to turn somebody else’s ideas into the type of application that can usually only be inspired by the developer’s own dreams.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a web-developer, so my angle is a bit skewed&#8230;no experience in software programming.  But I have learned a long time ago that it is much harder to develop based on someone else&#8217;s ideas than it is to develop your own.  Sure, once the application exists *somewhere*, it isn&#8217;t often a problem to add features per the request of the populace.  And, to be honest, it&#8217;s sometimes rewarding to do so.  But having to develop an application around someone else&#8217;s thoughts&#8230;it&#8217;s terrible.  Especially if the person doesn&#8217;t understand a damn thing about application development in the first place.  </p>
<p>As for legal:  I agree with you 100%.  The legal restrictions on this site cause serious problems, in my opinion.  I&#8217;m a big advocate of the Open Source model.  This seems like an attempt to bring open-source to proprietary scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Stripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, there are people who have good ideas for applications that don't program at all.  For them a Cocoa book and two months won't get them to the point where they can write an app.  However they may well have an idea for an app that will sell very well and sell at $600 a pop.  For example anyone in a specialized field that has a fair bit of domain specific knolage.   A Realtor might have some very good ideas for a doable app that other Realtors will buy for "big bucks", but no real ability to write it. 


Daniel, it sounds a lot like getting handed somebody elses dream app when you work at a big company.  Not the end of the world, many programmers do it, but not the kind of inspired environment most people choose a small development shop for, but livable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, there are people who have good ideas for applications that don&#8217;t program at all.  For them a Cocoa book and two months won&#8217;t get them to the point where they can write an app.  However they may well have an idea for an app that will sell very well and sell at $600 a pop.  For example anyone in a specialized field that has a fair bit of domain specific knolage.   A Realtor might have some very good ideas for a doable app that other Realtors will buy for &#8220;big bucks&#8221;, but no real ability to write it. </p>
<p>Daniel, it sounds a lot like getting handed somebody elses dream app when you work at a big company.  Not the end of the world, many programmers do it, but not the kind of inspired environment most people choose a small development shop for, but livable.</p>
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