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	<description>Mac &#38; Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18625</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephan: right - and I think if nothing else building a presence on the web at least makes you that much more likely to pop up on the radar of the magazine reveiwers, etc. (Thought I'm starting to think that a semi-popular blogger link is now more effective than even the most popular Mac magazines).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephan: right - and I think if nothing else building a presence on the web at least makes you that much more likely to pop up on the radar of the magazine reveiwers, etc. (Thought I&#8217;m starting to think that a semi-popular blogger link is now more effective than even the most popular Mac magazines).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Cleaves</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18619</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Cleaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant more that you want to see the number of sales and don't really care how they found you :) That wouldn't be an effective strategy at growing your install base though. Ultimately selling more does depend on being seen more. The important thing is being seen by the right people. I think a lot of indie software is supported primarily by Mac enthusiasts like other indie developers, geeks, etc. Many of us don't even get in front of the majority of Mac users. Over the years as more and more developers produce stuff it has become more difficult to get the attention of the Mac news sites and anyone who has ever thought about selling directly in an Apple Store knows how difficult that is. So it often seems difficult to get in front of even a percentage of your target audience let alone attract actual buyers. Mac-related blogs and (dare I say?) networking with other Mac enthusiasts are important ways to drive quality traffic to your site but they probably aren't enough on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant more that you want to see the number of sales and don&#8217;t really care how they found you :) That wouldn&#8217;t be an effective strategy at growing your install base though. Ultimately selling more does depend on being seen more. The important thing is being seen by the right people. I think a lot of indie software is supported primarily by Mac enthusiasts like other indie developers, geeks, etc. Many of us don&#8217;t even get in front of the majority of Mac users. Over the years as more and more developers produce stuff it has become more difficult to get the attention of the Mac news sites and anyone who has ever thought about selling directly in an Apple Store knows how difficult that is. So it often seems difficult to get in front of even a percentage of your target audience let alone attract actual buyers. Mac-related blogs and (dare I say?) networking with other Mac enthusiasts are important ways to drive quality traffic to your site but they probably aren&#8217;t enough on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18617</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom &#038; Paul: thanks for sharing your experiences publicly. It was, perhaps obviously to you guys, partly due to talking about your experience with the latest digging that I decided to write this entry.  

Stephan: if the sheer numbers *did* pay the bills, I'd certainly strive for them. But Tom and Paul's experience (and mine, on separate occasions) seems to suggest that sheer numbers don't sell software.

Scott (and Paul): I think you're right that the number might just be the thing that helps you catch the right attention of "people who matter."  So ... bring on the diggs! But I guess my point is that we shouldn't be fixated on traffic for traffic's sake, which it sounds like we're agreed on. And yes, I write this blog mostly for the sense of having connected with people, and in particularly for feeling like I'm helping people. But I certainly don't mind that it puts my business closer to the radar of some influential people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#038; Paul: thanks for sharing your experiences publicly. It was, perhaps obviously to you guys, partly due to talking about your experience with the latest digging that I decided to write this entry.  </p>
<p>Stephan: if the sheer numbers *did* pay the bills, I&#8217;d certainly strive for them. But Tom and Paul&#8217;s experience (and mine, on separate occasions) seems to suggest that sheer numbers don&#8217;t sell software.</p>
<p>Scott (and Paul): I think you&#8217;re right that the number might just be the thing that helps you catch the right attention of &#8220;people who matter.&#8221;  So &#8230; bring on the diggs! But I guess my point is that we shouldn&#8217;t be fixated on traffic for traffic&#8217;s sake, which it sounds like we&#8217;re agreed on. And yes, I write this blog mostly for the sense of having connected with people, and in particularly for feeling like I&#8217;m helping people. But I certainly don&#8217;t mind that it puts my business closer to the radar of some influential people.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18615</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My software was also mentioned in the same AppleGazette article and my experiences match Tom's (a traffic spike that did not seem to affect sales).

While the digg attention was ineffectual to the bottom-line, at least immediately, I do feel it helps to get more exposure (especially for me since I'm new to the market). It could be the thing that catches the attention of a reviewer or editor at a major Mac site or magazine plus the more people that know about your product, even if they don't use it themselves, the more people who may suggest it to others, in person, in forums or via email.

Yes, targeted marketing is more effective. I received more traffic and sales from an article on TUAW.com than digg. That said, neither cost me anything so it wasn't a case of either/or. Given that most of us ISVs engage in spreading word on our products via channels that don't charge us, I don't think it's a decision we have to face for some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My software was also mentioned in the same AppleGazette article and my experiences match Tom&#8217;s (a traffic spike that did not seem to affect sales).</p>
<p>While the digg attention was ineffectual to the bottom-line, at least immediately, I do feel it helps to get more exposure (especially for me since I&#8217;m new to the market). It could be the thing that catches the attention of a reviewer or editor at a major Mac site or magazine plus the more people that know about your product, even if they don&#8217;t use it themselves, the more people who may suggest it to others, in person, in forums or via email.</p>
<p>Yes, targeted marketing is more effective. I received more traffic and sales from an article on TUAW.com than digg. That said, neither cost me anything so it wasn&#8217;t a case of either/or. Given that most of us ISVs engage in spreading word on our products via channels that don&#8217;t charge us, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a decision we have to face for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18614</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What's the secret to making money on the web?&lt;/i&gt;

Starts with a 'p' ends with an 'n'. I kid, I kid.

Seriously, even if the diggers don't buy your app on day one, they might post a link to your site, which helps your Technorati and Google rankings, which helps when somebody searches for something in the future. Or maybe one visitor is a popular blogger who finds your app and causes other people to buy it. None of it will hurt your chances of selling software. Or maybe it will help you in some other way. 

In any case, you and I both know that your main reason for writing on this blog should be (and likely is) that it's fun and interesting. If it's not, you should stop and go do something else.

As far as the ego thing, I don't think it's any different than playing guitar on the street and having people gather around you. It's nice to know what you're doing connects with someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What&#8217;s the secret to making money on the web?</i></p>
<p>Starts with a &#8216;p&#8217; ends with an &#8216;n&#8217;. I kid, I kid.</p>
<p>Seriously, even if the diggers don&#8217;t buy your app on day one, they might post a link to your site, which helps your Technorati and Google rankings, which helps when somebody searches for something in the future. Or maybe one visitor is a popular blogger who finds your app and causes other people to buy it. None of it will hurt your chances of selling software. Or maybe it will help you in some other way. </p>
<p>In any case, you and I both know that your main reason for writing on this blog should be (and likely is) that it&#8217;s fun and interesting. If it&#8217;s not, you should stop and go do something else.</p>
<p>As far as the ego thing, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s any different than playing guitar on the street and having people gather around you. It&#8217;s nice to know what you&#8217;re doing connects with someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Cleaves</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18613</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Cleaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're exactly right. I haven't gotten into Digg, or del.icio.us, or any of that sort of popularity sites. Big numbers are popular with marketing types but they very rarely provide the whole story. The overpowered 350 horse engine in car A doesn't give you any idea of handling and most likely has a negative effect on what should be the most important stat for cars: fuel efficiency. Intel got caught by the ever increasing number game with their processors. There are finite limits for everything and it seems to me that people have trouble remembering that. Personally I'd rather hold out for higher quality over sheer quantity. Of course when it comes to software sales sometimes you just want to see the numbers so you can pay the bills :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re exactly right. I haven&#8217;t gotten into Digg, or del.icio.us, or any of that sort of popularity sites. Big numbers are popular with marketing types but they very rarely provide the whole story. The overpowered 350 horse engine in car A doesn&#8217;t give you any idea of handling and most likely has a negative effect on what should be the most important stat for cars: fuel efficiency. Intel got caught by the ever increasing number game with their processors. There are finite limits for everything and it seems to me that people have trouble remembering that. Personally I&#8217;d rather hold out for higher quality over sheer quantity. Of course when it comes to software sales sometimes you just want to see the numbers so you can pay the bills :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/206/freeway-hit-machine/comment-page-1#comment-18610</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently had what I'd call a "secondary digg".  My site wasn't dugg.  But &lt;a href="http://www.applegazette.com/mac/10-apps-to-increase-productivity-on-your-mac/" rel="nofollow"&gt;a page at AppleGazette&lt;/a&gt; was, and it in turn linked to me.  The AppleGazette page made the front page at digg for a while.

Following the freeway analogy, I had hoped that people who clicked through from AppleGazette to my site wouldn't be the people speeding by with their camera out, or those pulling into the rest stop, but rather those who saw the "attractions at this exit" sign and decided that one of them looked interesting enough to bother pulling off the freeway and driving down one of the local roads a bit for a closer look.

&lt;b&gt;I &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; get a huge traffic spike out of it.&lt;/b&gt;  My overall traffic for that day was something like 4x of normal, and Mint told me that most of it coming from the AppleGazette article.

&lt;b&gt;I &lt;i&gt;did not&lt;/i&gt; get any difference at all in daily sales for my software.&lt;/b&gt;  From a business perspective the increased traffic had zero effect.  I don't know what that says about the freeway analogy but I'm not paying a whole lot of attention to this kind of traffic anymore.

There may be some residual effect that'll be harder to quantify.  From Mint I know that my site was saved by a bunch of new people at del.icio.us.  I've also been getting a lot more referrals from places like mail.yahoo.com, suggesting people discussing my site (for better or worse) in email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had what I&#8217;d call a &#8220;secondary digg&#8221;.  My site wasn&#8217;t dugg.  But <a href="http://www.applegazette.com/mac/10-apps-to-increase-productivity-on-your-mac/" rel="nofollow">a page at AppleGazette</a> was, and it in turn linked to me.  The AppleGazette page made the front page at digg for a while.</p>
<p>Following the freeway analogy, I had hoped that people who clicked through from AppleGazette to my site wouldn&#8217;t be the people speeding by with their camera out, or those pulling into the rest stop, but rather those who saw the &#8220;attractions at this exit&#8221; sign and decided that one of them looked interesting enough to bother pulling off the freeway and driving down one of the local roads a bit for a closer look.</p>
<p><b>I <i>did</i> get a huge traffic spike out of it.</b>  My overall traffic for that day was something like 4x of normal, and Mint told me that most of it coming from the AppleGazette article.</p>
<p><b>I <i>did not</i> get any difference at all in daily sales for my software.</b>  From a business perspective the increased traffic had zero effect.  I don&#8217;t know what that says about the freeway analogy but I&#8217;m not paying a whole lot of attention to this kind of traffic anymore.</p>
<p>There may be some residual effect that&#8217;ll be harder to quantify.  From Mint I know that my site was saved by a bunch of new people at del.icio.us.  I&#8217;ve also been getting a lot more referrals from places like mail.yahoo.com, suggesting people discussing my site (for better or worse) in email.</p>
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