Comments on: Word Breaks For Nerds http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds Mac & Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut Fri, 10 Oct 2014 04:19:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: rsfinn http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-238426 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 02:30:55 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-238426 Actually, in common usage, abbreviations like “U.S.” probably ought to be considered single words. Perhaps that’s why Apple made the change.

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By: Smokey Ardisson http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-231483 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:27:29 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-231483 One of the interesting (read: annoying) things about this was that on 10.6, Safari’s location bar was bound to use “English (United States, Computer)”—but not any other places in Safari that “spoke URL”, like the Bookmarks manager. (Presumably this continues on 10.7 as well, though I haven’t heard.)

When 10.6 came out, we had a number of complaints that double-click word selection no longer worked “properly” in Camino’s location bar, but it still did in Safari’s. Once we investigated and discovered Safari’s location bar-only special casing, we suggested users who wanted the old period-as-word-separator switch to “English (United States, Computer)” rather than us coding into Camino inconsistencies between selection in UI elements that “spoke URL” (like the location bar and Bookmarks) and other places where a user might type or paste a URL, like a web page text field (or, worse, e.g. with a <title>-less page that is bookmarked, between a bookmark’s title field and URL field).

This recommendation has been profoundly unsatisfying for me, though, because it means that anyone who wants the old period-as-word-separator behavior, even if their native language is not “English (United States)”, has to switch away from their native word-breaking to the Computer dialect of “English (United States)”, for the entire OS. I’m not sure what’s worse, an inconsistency for everyone between selection in various places one might find a URL, or non-US English speakers losing their native word-breaking behavior.

And, really, Standard vs Computer seems completely backwards; in standard US English, a period is, with the exception of decimal numbers, always the end of a word (ditto a colon); I don’t know why Apple moved these two to “middle-of-the-word” characters in “Standard” English!?

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By: Lri http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-231413 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:54:50 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-231413 < and > should’ve been included in the end of word characters in both settings, but were eated by HTML.

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By: Lri http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-231409 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:49:07 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-231409 Part of middle of word in Standard: .:_’
Not part of end of word in Standard: +=`^$|
Part of middle of word in English (United States, Computer): _’
Not part of end of word in English (United States, Computer): +=`^$|

So the only difference I could find between those settings (with printable ASCII characters) is that in Computer dot and colon aren’t treated as middle-of-word characters.

I didn’t see any difference between 10.6.8 and 10.7.1. The default behavior used to be (more?) like Computer in 10.3 and earlier. (http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2006050817551646)

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By: Troy Gilbert http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-231153 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:02:23 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-231153 Actually, Snow Leopard was the first time I encountered this. Not sure if it was introduced here, but on new Snow Leopard machines I had to make this change (new Leopard machines didn’t require this change).

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By: Martin Pilkington http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-231139 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:19:25 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-231139 Shame it doesn’t give you the control-arrow support for moving through components of a camel case word. I actually miss that more outside of Xcode’s main editor than the incorrect word jump.

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By: Ian Beck http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2137/word-breaks-for-nerds/comment-page-1#comment-231126 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:49:53 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2137#comment-231126 This isn’t actually new in Lion (believe I first started using this setting in 10.5; not sure when it was added, though). What’s new is that Lion forgets the setting when you upgrade to it from Snow Leopard.

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