Comments on: The Talk Show With John Gruber http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber Mac & Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut Sun, 16 Mar 2014 19:39:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.1 By: vlad http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271792 Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:38:51 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271792 If you listen to the beginning of episode no. 3, you will see gruber is an a**. Unsubscribed. Did like the 5by5 ones tho.

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By: Matt B http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271754 Tue, 29 May 2012 18:50:28 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271754 Wow, I wonder if this is the most ever comments on a post for you Daniel?

bobsageek misses the whole point. Why do we care? Because we loved the podcast, and when you love something, you get emotionally invested in them. When that something stops, you get upset. Its called human nature. So yes, it does cost something- our time, our money, and our emotions.

And yes, we, as listeners-who support the shows by listening to ads, and possibly purchasing their products- do deserve some sort of explanation. Even a simple thing as John and Dan saying on the blogs/twitters “The Talk Show is moving/ending”. I think keeping the name also wasn’t smart.

And finally, I think what really got people up in arms is Gruber’s wife and Mike mocking people who had feelings (like bobsageek). We are fans of the show. The more fans, the more advertisers and the more money from them. How does mocking the people who support your show make sense?

I don’t fault Daniel for sponsoring this- I’d imagine he did not quite expect this outcry. But its a lesson for everybody to see.

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By: Daniel Jalkut http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271753 Tue, 29 May 2012 18:02:42 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271753 DM Andy: When I agreed to sponsor episode #2, I think Bare Bones was already on board. Maybe they had been on board for that episode since before #1 shipped? But I had a chance to listen to the first episode before agreeing to sponsor #2.

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By: DM Andy http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271752 Tue, 29 May 2012 16:54:41 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271752 Daniel, maybe this is just a nick-picky point, but hell, I’m a nerd and when something doesn’t sit right, I need to try and find out why. You say above “I thoroughly enjoyed the show… I enjoyed it so much, I decided to co-sponsor this week’s episode…” However John Gruber’s just posted on DF “I can’t thanks the show’s debut sponsors enough — Rogue Amoeba and 37signals the first week, Bare Bones Software and Red Sweater Software this past week. It means a lot to me that all four got on board before hearing an episode.”

So you’re saying you sponsored after hearing Episode 1, John’s saying that you signed up before Episode 1. Don’t suppose it matters but why the discrepancy?

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By: MKP in DC http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271751 Tue, 29 May 2012 15:12:58 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271751 The Handling:
Dan and John are people, free to run their businesses as they see fit. However, Daring Fireball and 5by5 are brands with many loyal supporters that make their business model possible. The abrubt ending, with no explanation was a public relations failure and people deserve better than to be left in the dark.

The Show:
Dan was a crucial element to the show’s quality and success. I may check in every now and then, but definitely won’t be listening as often.

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By: Jasper http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271746 Tue, 29 May 2012 12:06:41 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271746 When you leave a job, you give two weeks’ notice. Not doing so fails Wheaton’s first law: Don’t be a dick.

That is even more important when it’s about media stopping or moving networks.

Aside from all that unpleasantness, which was *not* kept private, the new show is pretty clearly not up to the standards of the old one yet. There’s an improving line, so who knows, at some point it may become listenable again… but that day is not this day.

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By: Noliv http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271738 Mon, 28 May 2012 16:31:52 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271738 A few observations from a listener of The Talk Show. I don’t think anyone owes us any explanation and certainly not a farewell show. But announcing a new episode without a word about the change seemed to show a misunderstanding of what the show was to a large part of the audience and why the listeners enjoyed the show. It’s no surprise that a very large part of 5by5’s listeners like Dan very much, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that the new show would disappoint a part of the listeners…
In the end it, only the quality really matters… I disliked the first episode on Mule but I’ll surely give the show a new chance in a few weeks if I hear good things about it.

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By: Arnoldo http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271736 Mon, 28 May 2012 13:43:13 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271736 Love the new show, especially episode 2. Definitely going to check out MarsEdit.

:D

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By: Puiz http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271733 Sun, 27 May 2012 20:12:11 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271733 I don’t get those who go on about how we don’t “deserve” an explanation. Of course we don’t. However, we can still have opinions, right?

There is no way John would come out of this looking good, I agree with what seems to be the consensus.

Finally, the show was flawed then (with the rambling, the incompatible personalities, John’s apparent annoyance or lack of enthusiasm), and it’s flawed now (lack of structure, weird handling of guests who are more like guest hosts with Gruber remaining the star). But come on: the Talk Show was never a professionally done show. It’s a podcast, an amateur thing. I don’t see a major drop in quality (just yet). It’s fun.

Though, again, John didn’t come out of this looking like a good person. (Which, incidentally, Dan did.)

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By: Darlaj http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/2495/the-talk-show-with-john-gruber/comment-page-2#comment-271732 Sun, 27 May 2012 19:17:39 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/?p=2495#comment-271732 The salient business question is does John Gruber still have credibility? Does anyone now believe John personally uses and endorses sponsors’products? I don’t. Now I look back and realize just how many apps I have purchased immediately after reading about them in DF because I trusted Gruber’s opinion, and his judgement, only to find they sucked. I will continue to read DF for news, but his disdain for his advertisers is clear now that he’s in the position of having to vocalize the ads himself.

He has demonstrated repeatedly that he can speak off the cuff with great enthusiasm about things he really likes –Kubrick, Bond, Yankees, seltzer, Apple, etc. so it’s not as if endorsing a product he really believes in is beyond his abilities. It’s obvious to me he will take anyone’s money but he’s a very poor liar. I suppose that’s a mark in his favor.

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