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	<title>Comments on: Service Scrubber</title>
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	<description>Mac &#38; Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut</description>
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		<title>By: Jaharmi</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-107710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaharmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, if you&#039;re editing applications&#039; Info.plist files, you&#039;re also modifying them in a way that will get wiped out in other situations … as they would on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radmind.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Radmind&lt;/a&gt;-managed systems. This is not just a problem for software updates, then.

Don&#039;t forget that many Macs are used in organizations where some sort of systems management is in effect. (Not all organizations will use management software that uses tripwire the way Radmind does, though … many will instead focus on installer-based technologies.)

The overridden Info.plist &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; be captured in a Radmind overload and thus applied in subsequent tripwire/update runs. But to do that in a modular fashion, an admin would probably want to capture one transcript per application (and possibly per version, given the other data in the Info.plist).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, if you&#8217;re editing applications&#8217; Info.plist files, you&#8217;re also modifying them in a way that will get wiped out in other situations … as they would on <a href="http://www.radmind.org" rel="nofollow">Radmind</a>-managed systems. This is not just a problem for software updates, then.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that many Macs are used in organizations where some sort of systems management is in effect. (Not all organizations will use management software that uses tripwire the way Radmind does, though … many will instead focus on installer-based technologies.)</p>
<p>The overridden Info.plist <em>could</em> be captured in a Radmind overload and thus applied in subsequent tripwire/update runs. But to do that in a modular fashion, an admin would probably want to capture one transcript per application (and possibly per version, given the other data in the Info.plist).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-107291</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Service Scrubber is great in combination with Devon Technologies&#039; free &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HotService&lt;/a&gt;. HotService moves the Services menu to the menu bar, instead of leaving it buried under the application&#039;s menu. It sounds like a small change, but it makes services a lot more useful. 

However, by repositioning the menu, it also means that the keyboard shortcuts for services can block the shortcuts for applications -- definitely not what you want, with few exceptions. Service Scrubber is pretty much essential for sane keyboard shortcuts, in this set-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Service Scrubber is great in combination with Devon Technologies&#8217; free <a href="http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html" rel="nofollow">HotService</a>. HotService moves the Services menu to the menu bar, instead of leaving it buried under the application&#8217;s menu. It sounds like a small change, but it makes services a lot more useful. </p>
<p>However, by repositioning the menu, it also means that the keyboard shortcuts for services can block the shortcuts for applications &#8212; definitely not what you want, with few exceptions. Service Scrubber is pretty much essential for sane keyboard shortcuts, in this set-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Guelich</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-107250</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Guelich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My only criticism of the application is a minor usability issue... [W]hen only one service is listed for a particular application, it shows up in the list by service name. It’s hard to tell at a glance which application these services belong to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a simple solution for this. Open the app&#039;s Preferences and check: &lt;i&gt;Show service providers in &quot;Services Menu&quot; view.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My only criticism of the application is a minor usability issue&#8230; [W]hen only one service is listed for a particular application, it shows up in the list by service name. It’s hard to tell at a glance which application these services belong to.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a simple solution for this. Open the app&#8217;s Preferences and check: <i>Show service providers in &#8220;Services Menu&#8221; view.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jalkut</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-107207</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jalkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred: But if the System Preferences trick doesn&#039;t work,then yes Service Scrubber allows this kind of setting to be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred: But if the System Preferences trick doesn&#8217;t work,then yes Service Scrubber allows this kind of setting to be changed.</p>
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		<title>By: ssp</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-107173</link>
		<dc:creator>ssp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, I don&#039;t think you need a tool like this. Just setting up the keyboard equivalent you want in the Keyboard and Mouse control panel should do the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, I don&#8217;t think you need a tool like this. Just setting up the keyboard equivalent you want in the Keyboard and Mouse control panel should do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-107151</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Hamranhansenhansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I use this tool to change the keyboard shortcut for the Script Editor&#039;s &quot;Get Result of AppleScript&quot; service from &quot;Command+*&quot; to &quot;Command+Shift+8&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I use this tool to change the keyboard shortcut for the Script Editor&#8217;s &#8220;Get Result of AppleScript&#8221; service from &#8220;Command+*&#8221; to &#8220;Command+Shift+8&#8243;?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-106972</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Apple should buy Service Scrubber from Many Tricks and make this part of the standard user experience. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like Apple Menu Options. I&#039;d rather have Apple rethink the services UI instead, and really fix it (i.e. figure out a way to avoid invoking user&#039;s desire to edit the thing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Apple should buy Service Scrubber from Many Tricks and make this part of the standard user experience. </p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like Apple Menu Options. I&#8217;d rather have Apple rethink the services UI instead, and really fix it (i.e. figure out a way to avoid invoking user&#8217;s desire to edit the thing).</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Riley</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-106949</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corentin wrote:

&lt;i&gt;ICeCoffEE looks like a terrific idea, but it has its own drawbacks. It’s based on ApE and I’ve had nothing but trouble with it :-\&lt;/i&gt;

Hi,

If you&#039;re having issues with ICeCoffEE &lt;i&gt;please&lt;/i&gt; let me know.  I&#039;m not aware of any outstanding bugs that I haven&#039;t fixed or documented.  You can email me at icecoffee at sabi.net.

Also—the odd thing is that NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; support editing of the service menu. No idea why we lost it.

--Nicholas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corentin wrote:</p>
<p><i>ICeCoffEE looks like a terrific idea, but it has its own drawbacks. It’s based on ApE and I’ve had nothing but trouble with it :-\</i></p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re having issues with ICeCoffEE <i>please</i> let me know.  I&#8217;m not aware of any outstanding bugs that I haven&#8217;t fixed or documented.  You can email me at icecoffee at sabi.net.</p>
<p>Also—the odd thing is that NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP <i>did</i> support editing of the service menu. No idea why we lost it.</p>
<p>&#8211;Nicholas</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nygard</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-106911</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Nygard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the difficulty of seeing which application provides the service when it&#039;s not in a group, there is a preference, Show Sevice providers in &quot;Services Menu&quot; view.  This adds &quot;(Provider: appname)&quot; to the end of the service name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the difficulty of seeing which application provides the service when it&#8217;s not in a group, there is a preference, Show Sevice providers in &#8220;Services Menu&#8221; view.  This adds &#8220;(Provider: appname)&#8221; to the end of the service name.</p>
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		<title>By: ssp</title>
		<link>http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/343/service-scrubber/comment-page-1#comment-106898</link>
		<dc:creator>ssp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say the two things I always say when this topic comes up

1. Nicholas Riley&#039;s Icecoffee places a services menu in your contextual menu (or menu bar) and filters the services in there without manipulating the applications. Which has both the advantage of making Services easily accessible and not requiring you to &#039;refresh&#039; the deactivated services after upgrading an application.

2. The is a function called NSSetShowsServicesMenuItem in Cocoa. Unfortunately it never actually did anything in MacOS X. And recently it has been marked deprecated as well. Perhaps it&#039;s worth to lobby Apple a bit with regard to making this function work properly. As a properly supported way of turning these menu items on and off would certainly be the best solution for everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say the two things I always say when this topic comes up</p>
<p>1. Nicholas Riley&#8217;s Icecoffee places a services menu in your contextual menu (or menu bar) and filters the services in there without manipulating the applications. Which has both the advantage of making Services easily accessible and not requiring you to &#8216;refresh&#8217; the deactivated services after upgrading an application.</p>
<p>2. The is a function called NSSetShowsServicesMenuItem in Cocoa. Unfortunately it never actually did anything in MacOS X. And recently it has been marked deprecated as well. Perhaps it&#8217;s worth to lobby Apple a bit with regard to making this function work properly. As a properly supported way of turning these menu items on and off would certainly be the best solution for everybody.</p>
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