Comments on: Windows of Perception http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception Mac & Technology Writings by Daniel Jalkut Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:17:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Programaticamente Inceptor » Blog Archive » Windows of Perception. http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-11604 Programaticamente Inceptor » Blog Archive » Windows of Perception. Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:39:49 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-11604 [...] I’m sorry! It’s an old link… But it’s worth it, specially, if you come from the Mac OS Classic Good Times… <G> ( edited for Rick) when Finder Windows were Finder Windows or so I…, Well… I’m not a coder but I can figure out how much things have changed… [...] [...] I’m sorry! It’s an old link… But it’s worth it, specially, if you come from the Mac OS Classic Good Times… <G> ( edited for Rick) when Finder Windows were Finder Windows or so I…, Well… I’m not a coder but I can figure out how much things have changed… [...]

]]> By: Daniel Jalkut http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-1027 Daniel Jalkut Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:32:06 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-1027 Adolph: I agree the UIElementInspector app is cool for poking around. Another cool app (though not free) that may help you get to the "finished point" with your next attempt is the <a href="http://www.prefab.com/uibrowser/" rel="nofollow">PreFab UI Browser</a>. Deb: Thanks - glad you enjoyed it. I hadn't noticed the shadow being its own window, but using the screen capture trick I was just able to easily confirm it! Thanks for pointing that out. Bored: Haven't really looked into child windows but I will have to follow up on that. Anything that makes fireworks like these even a tad easier is worth knowing about. Adolph: I agree the UIElementInspector app is cool for poking around. Another cool app (though not free) that may help you get to the “finished point” with your next attempt is the PreFab UI Browser.

Deb: Thanks – glad you enjoyed it. I hadn’t noticed the shadow being its own window, but using the screen capture trick I was just able to easily confirm it! Thanks for pointing that out.

Bored: Haven’t really looked into child windows but I will have to follow up on that. Anything that makes fireworks like these even a tad easier is worth knowing about.

]]> By: Mac-arena the Bored Zo http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-1025 Mac-arena the Bored Zo Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:00:02 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-1025 <blockquote>It’s true, dynamically growing and shrinking the subviews of a window and adjusting the overall window size at the same time isn’t exactly a newbie task, but I wouldn’t guess keeping the frames of several independent windows in sync and animating at the same time is either.</blockquote> this can be done rather easily with NSWindow's “child windows” feature. it probably took some extra hacking by Omni to get inspector windows to be owned and disowned as they're moved near other inspectors, but the actual lockstep facet of the feature was already done in AppKit.

It’s true, dynamically growing and shrinking the subviews of a window and adjusting the overall window size at the same time isn’t exactly a newbie task, but I wouldn’t guess keeping the frames of several independent windows in sync and animating at the same time is either.

this can be done rather easily with NSWindow’s “child windows” feature. it probably took some extra hacking by Omni to get inspector windows to be owned and disowned as they’re moved near other inspectors, but the actual lockstep facet of the feature was already done in AppKit.

]]> By: debm http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-1013 debm Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:24:08 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-1013 Great stuff... I knew that all of it was windows but I had no way to prove it to the programmers who are new to Mac that we are talking about windows in a different parlance. I can show that now. BTw, Did you notice that the shadow for the menu bar is also a window? Great stuff… I knew that all of it was windows but I had no way to prove it to the programmers who are new to Mac that we are talking about windows in a different parlance. I can show that now.

BTw, Did you notice that the shadow for the menu bar is also a window?

]]> By: Adolph Trudeau http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-1006 Adolph Trudeau Tue, 28 Feb 2006 03:53:35 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-1006 <a href="http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/UIElementInspector/UIElementInspector.html" rel="nofollow">UIElementInspector.app</a> is a very helpful tool in identifying windows for use in <a href="http://www.apple.com/applescript/uiscripting/02.html" rel="nofollow">AppleScript UI scripting</a>. Or rather, I almost found it useful. I forgot what I was working on that caused me to learn about it, but I do remember that I haven't finished whatever it was, so it wasn't magically helpful. UIElementInspector.app is a very helpful tool in identifying windows for use in AppleScript UI scripting. Or rather, I almost found it useful. I forgot what I was working on that caused me to learn about it, but I do remember that I haven’t finished whatever it was, so it wasn’t magically helpful.

]]> By: Daniel Jalkut http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-994 Daniel Jalkut Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:14:04 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-994 Well Sune - that's pretty rude. I admit my inclination was just to delete your comment, but I suppose I'll let you show off your inappropriate behavior. Don't bother responding or writing comments on any other of my entries if you're going to assume that tone. I will not be so hesitant to delete future comments in which I'm described as a "snake oil salesman." Well Sune – that’s pretty rude. I admit my inclination was just to delete your comment, but I suppose I’ll let you show off your inappropriate behavior. Don’t bother responding or writing comments on any other of my entries if you’re going to assume that tone. I will not be so hesitant to delete future comments in which I’m described as a “snake oil salesman.”

]]> By: Sune http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-991 Sune Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:06:11 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-991 This is no news. It's very wordy - DUH - and there is no news. Things like are known to developers everywhere. BFD. There is a difference between systems like OS X and Windows. On the latter, literally EVERYTHING is a window; but on OS X, things can be 'controls' or 'windows'. So you won't see everything that's running. And of course turning on Quartz debug on the command line shows you all the hidden windows on a per-application basis. But again, this is no news and should not be treated as such - and if it's treated, it should be treated in a more professional and dignified manner. Nothing here folks - maybe a snake oil salesman, but surely nothing else. Everybody go home now. Let's keep order on our neighbourhood streets. This is no news. It’s very wordy – DUH – and there is no news. Things like are known to developers everywhere. BFD.

There is a difference between systems like OS X and Windows. On the latter, literally EVERYTHING is a window; but on OS X, things can be ‘controls’ or ‘windows’. So you won’t see everything that’s running.

And of course turning on Quartz debug on the command line shows you all the hidden windows on a per-application basis.

But again, this is no news and should not be treated as such – and if it’s treated, it should be treated in a more professional and dignified manner.

Nothing here folks – maybe a snake oil salesman, but surely nothing else. Everybody go home now. Let’s keep order on our neighbourhood streets.

]]> By: tonyarnold.com http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-981 tonyarnold.com Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:21:25 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-981 Damn windows (NSWindows that is)

Don’t get me started on the weird things Apple are doing to the desktop windows (or as Daniel would call it, a “Damn window”). Try coding a virtual desktop manager when Apple sets windows at certain NSWindowLevels to be sticky (i.e. seen across all ‘de…

]]> By: Robert http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-952 Robert Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:57:34 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-952 Axel: I think that perhaps the strange right-click behavior in Dashboard may be a feature, not a bug. This behavior is the only way to allow users to change language/keyboard settings while in Dashboard. Still a bit odd, of course. Axel: I think that perhaps the strange right-click behavior in Dashboard may be a feature, not a bug. This behavior is the only way to allow users to change language/keyboard settings while in Dashboard. Still a bit odd, of course.

]]> By: Matt http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception/comment-page-1#comment-948 Matt Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:08:28 +0000 http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/97/windows-of-perception#comment-948 This is why they really need to get rid of NSStatusItem and just go back to NSMenuExtras. Stupid things like not being able to command-drag and not reacting like the rest of the menu bar. This is why they really need to get rid of NSStatusItem and just go back to NSMenuExtras. Stupid things like not being able to command-drag and not reacting like the rest of the menu bar.

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